No need to worry, just thank Jay-Z who apparently is the one who has ensured Tupac’s unreleased interview is at a safe location.
Hip Hop‘s icon, Jay-Z, who Tupac dissed on various songs in the 90s, gave Angie Martinez the best advice ever. Secure the unreleased Tupac interview now!
Well not in those exact words, but, Angie Martinez recently explained to Page Six that Jay-Z is to thank. “I was in a meeting at Roc Nation and we were talking about my archives because I have all my old interviews on tape. They were literally in boxes in my laundry room and Jay said: ‘Get them out of the room now. Somebody help her get them out of that room now because if there is a flood or a fire it will be destroyed.’”
One has to wonder if Jay-Z has heard the full interview already. Angie’s co-workers have heard the interview, as they help her to preserve the audio. “So people at work helped me digitize the tapes so I can make sure I have them forever,” Angie reveals to Page Six.
So, where exactly is the Tupac unreleased interview located? Angie claims the two hour interview is in an actual vault. “The tapes are in a safe, secure place now. But they weren’t for many years. Before that, they were in my laundry room and it was actually Jay-Z that told me to put it in a safe place,” Angie Martinez.
“They are in a safe in an actual vault where you would need specific access to get to them,” she added.
When will Angie release the interview?
Five years ago, we all thought that the unreleased Tupac interview would finally come to light. In an interview with Sway, Angie spoke about her new show at the time ‘The Angie Review’, where she stated that perhaps now was the time to release the interview. “I’m at the place where every body is like pressuring me. And I feel like now I do feel like now might be a better time, cause I feel like everything is settled. It’s part of history. I feel like almost selfish, cause it’s so amazing,” said Angie in 2014.
Angie Tupac Interview Excerpt
Only 12 minutes from the interview Angie conducted with Tupac in 1996 has been released. Below is an excerpt from the interview and from Angie’s book, ‘My Voice: A Memoir‘.
Angie Martinez: I’m sitting with Tupac in his crib right now . . . If we get anything positive out of this then it’s more than worth it. First thing I think we need to talk about is the East Coast–West Coast thing . . . That’s really what’s on people’s minds in New York right now in terms of you. A lot of people feel like you kinda flipped on them.
Tupac Shakur: I dunno why people could feel like I’m flippin’ on ‘em. ‘Cause I’m trying to give it up to where I’m from …
Angie Martinez: But aren’t you from New York?
Tupac Shakur: That’s where I was born, but that’s not where I learned how to make money . . . When I came out to the West Coast, this is where I got laced. This is where I learned. This is where I became a man . . .
(Right from the start I could see that he was far more articulate and calculated than I was. And at this point, way more seasoned than me. I could have asked him anything. He already knew what he wanted to say. He answered my questions, but he also was very clear about what he wanted to get out of this. He had some shit to say, and he was using me as the vehicle to do that.)
Angie Martinez: So are you saying that you do not have a beef with New York?
Tupac Shakur: Nah . . . I have a beef with anybody in my way, anybody that’ll come against me that feel like they could criticise me because they bought my album. That feel like just because they read an interview that they know who I am–I have a beef with them interfering with me getting my money. I got a beef with Wendy Williams saying I got raped in jail because that disrespected me, my family, and what I represent. I got a beef with New York rappers just saying whatever they wanna say about where I’m from . . .
(He went off, continuing his laundry list, which finally came around to the main beef. And because I still didn’t fully understand, I asked exactly how his relationship with Biggie had gotten so bad and what exactly Biggie had done.)
Tupac Shakur: Biggie acted like he didn’t know what happened when I got shot. He didn’t know what happened. I was tripping out. I was buggin’. I must’ve been fuckin’ on drugs when I got operated on. This nigga only got shot once. He was acting like a movie when he came upstairs. That type of shit? It’s going down . . . Puffy’s the one that really . . . snapped me back to my senses. When this punk muthafucka said “Thug Life you gon’ be a thug, you gotta be a thug forever you can’t go in and out of it.” Okay, now when a cream puff nigga like that, tell me that, it’s time to ride. ‘Cause I had legitimately just waked away from the shit. I was gonna take my shots and move on. I already knew what happened. Only thing that pissed me off is when niggas tried to make me seem like I was buggin’ or bullshitting like I just shot myself. Nobody knew what happened. That’s what really made me just trip the fuck out. And then Mobb Deep doing shows and they introducing people onstage like this the nigga that shot ‘Pac.
Angie Martinez: Where was that?
Tupac Shakur: In Queens! It get real deep and everybody involved know it get deep. This is basically what it is–fear is stronger than love.
(His point was that New York was an innocent bystander. And there was no question where the battle lines had been drawn for him.)
Tupac Shakur: Niggas that represent New York, some of these rappers–there’s a lot of cool niggas out there . . . But as far as Bad Boy, Puffy is the head of Bad Boy. He’s a cream puff. He’s being extorted. So the niggas that’s extorting him don’t pump no fear in my heart. They pump fear in his heart. I rode against the niggas extorting him. They tried to kill me. Biggie and them watched it and acted like they didn’t know what happened. So now I’m gonna end his business. I’m gonna end it so the extorting niggas don’t get no money. Biggie don’t get no money. Puffy don’t get no money. I get all the money, and they be out the rap game. That’s what poppin’.
Angie Martinez: And how do you intend to do that?
Tupac Shakur: I’m doing it. Them niggas ain’t doin’ no tours. They ain’t livin’ good. They sleepin’ with extra security. They got guns out. They was out here panicky like a muthafucka . . .
Angie Martinez: This whole thing that’s going on–
Tupac Shakur: Is a military move.
Angie Martinez: This whole thing is your beef with Biggie and Puffy.
Tupac Shakur: No doubt.
Angie Martinez: So it has nothing to do with you disrespecting New York–
(Every time Pac came close to giving me something concrete that I could use to defuse the East Coast–West Coast beef, he’d back off and say something even more inflammatory instead.)
Angie Martinez: But what I think needs to be clarified is this beef, this whole thing–
Tupac Shakur: There is no beef! When Biggie get attacked, he run to New York and say, “They after us! They after us!” We ain’t after y’all. We after Biggie! Y’all just need to mind y’all business! Every time somebody say something in rap, New York is not the only muthafucker that can answer. In hip-hop there’s so many battles that nobody trip off but mines everybody’s involved in. Why you can’t respect a soldier for being a soldier for the uniform that he’s wearing! Don’t get mad at me ‘cause y’all niggas is not–they punks! If Biggie was fighting, you would never have thought I was attacking New York. Only reason it look like I’m attacking New York is ‘cause I’m stompin’ this nigga. I’m smackin’ him up against the wall and he’s not answering. So I’m bangin’ him up against the wall and he’s not answering. So I’m bangin’ him up against New York walls and it’s like he ain’t doing nothing.
Angie Martinez: So what’s gonna come outta this?
Tupac Shakur: I want my respect. It’s not gonna be over till I drop my Nagasaki. They did they shit. They bombed Pearl Harbor. They shot me five times, okay. But until I get my Nagasaki, we can’t have peace.
(I could tell by his aggression that I wasn’t going to get what I was looking for in this moment. I would have to come back to it. My job was not to judge but to still ask hard questions and not be intimidated. At one point I tried another way to subtly challenge Pac, this time about Faith Evans and his claim that there had been a relationship between him and her, something that she denied. I asked why he would drag her into this.)
Tupac Shakur: Why? ‘Cause that was her husband. And I’m his enemy. And she gave me some pussy. I was supposed to dis her. Any real bitch would be on my side like damn, that’s a player for real. But you acting like suckas like, Why’d you dis her? She was married to this nigga and she slid me some pussy ‘cause she was caught up in my image. For real though. Let’s be real though. So what did I do? I did what–I didn’t wanna fuck her ‘cause I wanted to be with Faith! Fuck Faith!
Angie Martinez: Did you make her believe that?
Tupac Shakur: She knew exactly what was goin’–c’mon. C’mon, Angie! You wouldn’t even come to my video! She was married to the nigga and she was fuckin’ me! C’mon, you smart!
(I just looked back at him, not saying a word. He kept going.)
Tupac Shakur: . . . I don’t lie on my dick. It brings me nothing. This right here made me look bad to females to fuck Faith and tell everybody. It made me look bad.
Angie Martinez: It did.
Tupac Shakur: I would not get more pussy like that. Everybody know that. But I’m not doing it for the bitches. I’m not doing it for the girls. I could care less. I’m destroying a nigga right here. And believe me, every time he touch her, every time he thinks about getting back together with her, every time he thinks of his wedding anniversary, he’s thinking of me fucking his wife. And that’s as gangster as you can get. Yup. And if you don’t understand, don’t matter to me. Niggas understand.
(Pac was very animated and dramatic about everything. It was overwhelming. I was in no way on his level, to be able to challenge him the way I wish I could have. He was a performer–the way he delivered, the way he spoke, he was poetic. He’d be tearing somebody apart and screaming, like he was out of control. But he was very much in control. And even at some points charming and attentive. There were a couple of moments when he’d be yelling and be really aggressive, and then he would stop and ask, “Are you okay?”
“Yeah, I’m okay.”)
Tupac Shakur: “You know, none of this is towards you. If I raise my voice, if I’m screaming, it’s just how I feel. I want to make sure you’re okay and you’re comfortable. I just get hype. Matter of fact, I’ma get you a gun. you can sit it by you if you get nervous.”
I laughed and said “We all right.” Is it weird that I thought it was a charming gesture? Probably.
But in getting more comfortable, I still knew Pac was talking circles around me. I was trying with everything I had for Tupac to say some things that would make the East Coast–West Coast situation simmer down. Ultimately, that’s what I was there for, and so when he mentioned how crazy the idea of having beef with a whole city was, I encouraged him to speak on that.
This is what I’m trying to get at . . . No one in New York has heard you say that.
Tupac Shakur: Well, why don’t you tell them how I flew you out here? This wasn’t no publicity stunt. Why don’t you tell them how I called you personally and I wanted to get this shit settled and I flew you out here to show you that there was no problem? And tell ‘em how you not in a hotel room. You in my home. So what beef?
Angie Martinez: And I have and I’ve let them know that this was you that wanted to speak to New York. So I’m giving you that opportunity to let people understand what’s really happening . . .
(The whole time all the Outlawz were sitting there. I could tell that they all looked up to him. Everybody in the room was somewhat as in awe of him as I was. Fatal from the Outlawz was especially nice to me that day, as I recall. He recently passed away in a car accident and I was really sad to hear that. Every time I’d run into him, even years later, it would always bring us to that moment of sitting in that room.
Looking back, I feel that the weight of history wasn’t just felt by me, but that something inside Tupac had given him a sense of urgency. It’s true that he had been vocal in the media at the time. But he clearly seemed to think it was important to go on the record and cover not just what I’d come for but other thoughts he had, including his hope to inspire other artists coming up, other voices. At moments I even felt that Pac was just talking to me directly about why it was important to be authentic and not feel like you had to overexploit yourself. He said he was tired of talking down to people and that if you respected your audience and put them on your level, they’d get it. I couldn’t have agreed more, and I carried that with me over the years.
After more than two hours, I reluctantly began to wrap up the interview. I honestly felt like I could have talked to this guy forever. Pac echoed my feelings right about then, saying, “All right, we just talking shit at this point,” and so I stopped the tape.)